Today's show is a conversation with Emily Thompson and Kathleen Shannon of Being Boss Podcast fame. These two are real leaders - their podcast has become huge partly, I think, due to their down-to-earth yet fiesty and authentic approach to their work and their lives. In their show they help creative entrepreneurs grow their businesses and improve their lives but here they offer a fascinating insight in to how they think and what drives them as creative entrepreneurs themselves. This show is ideal if you run your own company or are thinking of doing so. But it's also important if you work for big business to understand the mindset of people who would probably never work for anyone but themselves. Numbers of business owners are rising, particularly in the over 55 category, and not only does that mean your talent is attracted to such a lifestyle but they could be setting themselves up in competition to you. They don't need your global infrastructure to make a big impact, as Emily and Kathleen show. For more about them go to https://beingboss.club/ And please sign up to the That People Thing newsletter, first issue coming out in the autumn. Just go to www.thatpeoplething.com and scroll to the bottom of any page. Stay in touch via twitter (@blairepalmer), instagram (@blairelyspalmer) and email (firstname.lastname@example.org). And please share this podcast. We love when you do and it means more people get to hear how they can reveal more Punk underneath their suit!